Christian belief should not be based on the fact that Christ died on the cross?

Question by Cowgirl: Christian belief should not be based on the fact that Christ died on the cross?
There is no doubt that Jesus was put on trial, humiliated, beaten, and made to carry his cross at least part of the way. Indeed, he was put on the cross– but the interesting thing to note is that, unlike all the other crucified people of the time, Jesus’ legs strangely weren’t broken. He was also given a footrest, which would have allowed him to push himself up to breathe, thereby prolonging death.She goes on to say that Pontius Pilate, who was vilified in writing and documents aside from the Biblical texts, was in on the conspiracy to let Christ hang for three hours and appear to be dead–after which, Pilate had Jesus taken down. And he made sure that the time of the Crucifixion was such that Christ would only be on the cross for a short period of time due to the honoring of the Sabbath. This satisfied the detractors at the time, and gave new meaning to Pontius Pilate”washing his hands of this innocent man.”

Jesus was given an opiate-like drug that made him go into a deep spoon, which simulated death. Being taken for dead, he was then removed from the cross.The scholar Karl Friedrich Bahrdt postulated that Jesus survived a feigned death with Luke the physician having supplied drugs beforehand. No one seems to question the fact that this rich man(Joseph) just offered his tomb to Christ out of the blue. When Jesus was taken down from the cross–without his legs being broken– relatively earlt on the same day, Josephus (the jewish historian) wrote that he’d seen other prisoners crucified, and after several days, they still hadn’t died–even though they’d had their legs broken.
Now, Jesus certainly did appear to Many and Mary Magdalene and all the apostles–a ghost would hardly be able to tell Thomas to feel his wounds. When Many and Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw the angels, the angels asked: “Why do you look for the living among the dead?” (Luke 24:5)
Later Jesus appeared to his apostles to prove that he was still alive, saying ” Peace be with you….Why are you troubled, and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? See my hands and feet, that it is myself! Touch and see, for a ghost doesn’t have flesh and bones, as you see me to have.” Then he showed them his hands and feet. Next, he asked, ” Do you have anything here to eat?” And they offered him a piece of a broiled fish, and he ate it in their presence (Luke 24:36–43).
I don’t know about you, but I’ve never known a ghost or a spirit to need food. None of this means that he was some supernatural being, and even a man-man needs to eat.
(ALL of this info is from the book Secrets & Mysteries of the World–by Sylvia Browne)

So he left, probably because he would be killed surly if he stayed, and went off to continuing to teach people about Gods love.
Think about it, If he had not died on the cross, would his story have been so remembered? because you think he died is the reason why he was given so much attention. NOW, try to tell me now that Jesus died on the cross. Don’t tell me, “Just because”, or “Because the Bible said so”. Give me real arguments and make them good.

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Answer by EddieJ
There is nothing factual about the Jesus story.

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12 thoughts on “Christian belief should not be based on the fact that Christ died on the cross?

  1. 1Cr 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith [is] vain; ye are yet in your sins.

    Let’s see you survive being hung up and nailed to a cross, then being gored by a spear.

  2. I’m not a biblical scholar, nor am I that interested in reading these things up, but it sounds like this is an issue that can’t be truly proven unless we went back in time.
    i mean, do we really knows 100% what happened 2000 years ago?
    We can’t even truly know what happened back in WWI and WWII! Only recently did Russia finally admitted to the secret killings of millions of Pols.

    So i don’t know what’s ur purpose here…r u trying to bring down Christianity? because if yes…the exact time point at when Christ died won’t make a difference. people are still gonna believe in Jesus + Bible regardless of this controversy

  3. There is a large amount of evidence in the bible itself that jesus actually survived his relatively simple ordeal. The first bit of evidence was that he was not in physical shock. Emotional shock, yes, but far from physiological shock. He could walk, he could speak coherently and was situationally aware even while nailed to the beam. He showed signs of only slight to moderate blood loss – patient was coherent, active motor skills and displayed a high level of cognition for many hours indicating extremely strong vitals. The soldiers did not break his legs which guaranteed a very very high survival rate. He could sustain himself for many days in this condition and even Pilate knows this for he is surprised to hear that he is “dead so soon”. So surprised is he, that he sends his sentry to confirm it as he is in total disbelief.

    The piercing – flowage of water and blood – indicates that a body is still alive. It is not yet dead. The water is most likely urine from his kidney – another sign that the nervous system is still intact since upon death it would have emptied. Then there is the traditional wrapping of jesus in the cloth – his arms being crossed – indicating no Rigor. Also no mention of Livor. Then theres Nicodemus rushing to apply a mixture of myrhh and aloe – a salve that was known to stop mortal bleeding. But this mixture was not the only thing that was peculiar… the sheer amount of it was extraordinary – approximately 100 pounds of it was used.

    Then we have much more stuff like jesus playing coy and remaining incognito, disciples shuttering doors and windows when he appears out of fear and trepidation rather than rejoicing like they won the lottery, and jesus asking for food indicating hunger. Also, the food he is given appear to be leftovers. This clandestine-like activity recorded in the gospels indicate a fugitive lifestyle of a person who is attempting to evade recapture.

    There is a 2000 year old belief in India that a man named Jesus migrated from the west and died of old age and is buried under the Rozabal Masoleum in the Kan Yar section of Kashmir, India. The Rozabal is a large structure, still intact, and is visited by believers from around the world.

    Cheers ~
    Randy the Atheist

  4. If you are really interested, I would recommend you look up Lee Strobe’s book, “A Case for Christ”.

    I don’t believe in Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection just because it’s “In the Bible”; God has changed my life, and that is proof enough for me. That is all that really matters, each one of us must find God for ourselves.

    “The Truth shall set you free.”

    What is truth? – Pontius Pilate

  5. This gibberish that you googled is the opinions of some GOD hater some where that doesn’t want there to be a GOD for the same reason that you do not….you want to live your life how you want to live your life and you do not want to be held accountable someday to a HOLY GOD for your sinful choices. Guess what, there is a GOD and you and every other GOD hater will face judgment when your life here is over…doesn’t matter what you think about it. One second after you and all other GOD haters leave your bodies to enter eternity you will find out…unfortunately it will be to late…You should at the very least check out the evidence the Christians have before you make a decision that could impact your eternity in a horrible way….in fact you would be a fool not to. If I am wrong about my beliefs in CHRIST the worst case scenario is that I rot unconsciously in a grave for ever…if you are wrong however, well I’ll leave that to your imagination…google Lee Stroble and check out what he discovered…He was a devout atheist before his journey to find the truth.

  6. You are entitled to your own opinion. However, telling genuine Christians that “Christian belief should not be based on the fact that Jesus died on the cross” is blasphemy and, in this instance, should be kept to yourself. There are children and young people on this site whom you are influencing with your pathetic repudiation.

    Sylvia Browne is a quack job so-called psychic. The ‘Sylvia Browne scam’ is widely known and includes “diagnosing” health problems, communicating with the dead, and claiming to have proven there is an afterlife. She has appeared on TV shows such as Larry King, Montel Williams and a host of other talk shows. ANYONE who believes in or takes the word of any human (especially this lunatic) over the Word of God, is an imbecile.

    As far as your sarcastic comment, “Give me real arguments and make them good” is concerned, you know what you can do with that! You should be ashamed of yourself with such an attitude.

  7. 1). If Christ did not fulfill the Old Testament prophecies, did not come as the “Second Adam”, and did not die on the cross and go through the “harrowing of Hell”, then what is the point of the Christian Faith? There would be nothing to have faith in. The story wouldn’t be complete.

    2). Christ’s bones weren’t broken. That wasn’t by chance, it was the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy.

    3). I’d really like to see the evidence that these “historians” have discovered. New “discoveries” are always being made, each one better than the last.

    4). Christ was/ is the “Word (Logos) made flesh”. He is both fully man and fully God. God incarnate. He was not just a spirit hovering around with His disciples. He had physical wounds. He ate physical food. Notice that it does not say he “needed” the food.

    5). I know you probably won’t like this one, but for perspective, look up Job 38:4.

    You ask for “real arguments”. Shoot me an email if you’re up for a debate, but keep in mind that we are both operating off of faith/ presuppositions and information we’ve found in books. The real question here is “which set of presuppositions line up with the world we live in?”.

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